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On the Rise
| Created | Tier | Playlists | Stations | Thumbs | Music hours | Podcast hours |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1/30/2009 | PLUS | 207 | 217 | 1987 | 22427 | 75 |
Interesting. I had a previous employer who used Pandora in this capacity back in 2012. He was always very adamant that staff did not touch the Pandora. Makes more sense now. That said... when users do use Pandora for private, personal use... do artists, authors, composers, publishers and other rightsholders *not* get properly compensated for their work? I have friends who are musicians whose material is available on Pandora. And I would want to be sure that they are being compensated properly for streams--both public and private. Please flesh this out better so we may better understand. (Please leave this post in this thread... and also cross-post it to whatever more relevant thread so that we may all better understand.) Thank you, @AdamPandora !
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Doubtful. We're talking about active devices here. If you're signed out of that device, then it doesn't qualify. The situation I run into is that Pandora app on the desktop Apple at work automatically logs you in and saves settings. So unless you actively sign out of that Pandora session, it will effectively continue it days later, even though you were listening on several other devices in the interim. Took me a while to figure this out. Because when you close a program in Windows OS, you're killing the process entirely. It's not running in the background. And the only reason it opens so smoothly is that I tell my home desktop to remember my password. (I never did that on the machine at work. But Apple products have... different... security protocols. I hate Apple products for many reasons. This is one of them.)
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My point on the above post is that when you're using multiple devices, the last one you used for shuffle seems to be the prioritized shuffle-boss.
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>From my personal XP in dealing with multiple devices... Set up your shuffle on the device you feel absolutely the most comfortable using. (For me, that's the Android phone app.) Once you've got your stations set up, hit back button in the Android app... or the Now Playing button on desktop apps. LET IT PLAY FOR A COUPLE OF SONGS. Hit pause. Go to the other device you wish to use for streaming. Sign out of that device's app. Go back to the previous device where you set up your shuffle. Hit play again. Play a song or two. Hit pause. Return, again, to the devide you wish to use for streaming, and SIGN BACK IN. Enter into shuffle mode. You should be good to go. [What I've found: whatever device you've streamed last is the one whose shuffle list is considered primary. Yes, I can set up shuffle on the Mac desktop at work, but it's a huge pain in the **ahem** compared to the Android app. So I do this stupid dance every day--at least once!] @Pandora: Please streamline all apps to be as intuitive and easy to use as the Android app. Then we wouldn't have to worry about which app we use to set up our shuffle list! ~ Sc'Ericstate college, pa
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The great thing about the Android phone app is that there is only one screen... and the UI is, overall, pretty intuitive. The desktop apps (esp. the Apple desktop app)... not so much!
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@Mcjeeps: Amen on beta-testing--which seems to have disappeared around the time app engineers started pumping out a new update every Friday at 16:03. As for soft-open, pretty sure EVERYONE is on this list! *(funny, not funny)
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While we're on the topic of shuffle on an Apple laptop... Why is there no way to toggle *all* stations off inside the shuffle to start over selecting shuffle stations? My Android phone and PC desktop app both have a toggle that let's you select all/zero stations in shuffle mode. Scrolling thru the entire list to disengage stations is super cumbersome!
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Shuffle mode should be available at all times, I agree. But I don't understand what everyone's obsession is with playlists: it creates a stagnant music experience because it pulls from (essentially) a limited library of music. Pandora was originally designed to introduce listeners to new music content via the Music Genome Project--a way to get AI to recognize patterns both within and across music genres... as well as to help identify user preferences--and then feed users more content that they would enjoy. And that was going quite well up through about 2013. Then things started going off the rails a bit. Lately, Pandora began implementing new "features" that seem to limit the music that plays on any given channel to a subset of music with very little similarity to the original intent of the company. To users who signed up early-on, this is super frustrating. So the fact that there are users asking to simply shuffle a limited playlist is a bit confusing. @Lazerdawg, am I mis-reading you? I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from.
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The "downloaded" icon does not appear anywhere within the Artist station. It only appears on my list when I'm looking at the full alphabetical listing. And this may or may not have something to do with it: The toggle to turn off the off-line feature apparently stuck this time. (It is currently turned off in my profile settings. Though, the downloaded icon is still there in the alphabetical listing. Not sure what button you want me to press without deleting the station entirely.)
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I was part of the original thread regarding shuffle mode issues. And shuffle mode does appear to be fixed. (Thank you!) I've been meaning to post this all week, but just haven't had the time. Now, however, every single time my Pandora loads (Android phone, and either desktop app) it no longer begins playing the last station setting. Instead, it begins playing the station the first station in my alphabetical listing! This is bad for several reasons: (a) it disrupts the continuity of the listening experience and (b) it threatens to massively skew my metrics. Also, the Apple desktop app forces the user to re-login every time the app launches. Slightly irritating. I currently have 3 stations downloaded--which I never wanted, because I don't want it taking up space on my phone!--and one of those stations is Air, the first band in my collection, alphabetically. As it currently stands, if I ever did want to properly engage offline mode, I would never be able to get rid of Air as a top-playing station. Additionally (as I have implied), I do not want those stations downloaded to my phone, and I can't seem to get them removed. Whenever I switch the toggle, it just goes back to being turned on. (And also, why would you not let the user choose which 3 stations are downloaded, anyway? Certainly you'd want to choose the most appropriate stations for where you have the worst cell phone reception.)
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After reading the entire thread, I would very much like to reiterate: if the UI is not intuitive, the engineers are not doing a good job. Most of this thread would be unnecessary if the UI were actually what users expect.
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@JoshBranJones: I wouldn't say it was a workaround... as it didn't really work. But it was an attempt at one! I've seen exactly what you're describing over the past several months. And I can say that it has only become noticeably problematic since I've introduced an Apple product (desktop app) into the mix. There were intermittent issues prior, but the problem was much more frequent and enduring since taking this new job where Apple desktops are the house machine. That said, I did my usual routine today: Wake up, program my shuffle while still in bed... listen in the shower and on the way to work... then switch over to the lapto at work. Today, I had to actually sign in again to launch the Apple desktop app. And for the first time in months, the desktop app followed through with the shuffle stations I had set up on my Android phone from bed. No funny business! But I'm not holding my breath that it will be the same on another day. ~Sc'Eric state college, pa
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@JoshBranJones: You may be correct. Today I launched the Android app and immediately tried to alter my shuffle list. And even though it said "changes saved", they quite clearly were NOT. The shuffled ended up changing back to its former state within 30 minutes--which was blatantly obvious from the songs playing! Infuriating. And to think that I was going to try to convince one of my previous bosses to use Pandora to stream in her restaurant! If this stuff happened during service, I would be laughed out of the restaurant! There is no logic to this entire scenario... other than that Pandora is not keeping up its end of the bargain.
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You do know... that if the UI isn't intuitive then your engineers are doing a terrible job, right?
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When this happens, it's like a mix of stations I'd programmed into the shuffle today... and some I'd programmed in during my last desktop session. It's like there are two versions of the desktop software running and they're fighting for supremacy. I've seen other user UIs do this when the user accidentally launches a desktop app twice. From what I can see, there are not two versions of the app running concurrently. But perhaps there's a coding error that is giving this impression?
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From where I'm sitting, what I see as the problem is that Pandora's engineers have somehow "weighted" the desktop apps (both Apple and PC versions) differently as compared to the phone apps. The Android phone app is such a joy to use compared to the clumsiness of the desktop versions! Regardless, when I've listened to the Android app for 3 straight days, I've experienced no glitches. But as soon as I login to either of the desktop apps, that's when I start to see problems. Last week, I had listened to Pandora solely via my Android phone for 4 days. When I went into work on Friday, I powered up the Apple desktop and allowed the system to play whatever stations had been programmed for those past 4 days. No problems, no glitches: it was fine. About halfway through my shift, opened my Android app while the Apple desktop app was streaming... not to listen, but to tweak the stations turned-on in shuffle. I toggled one station, and then let it play for a while. It was fine. An hour later, I decided to adjust the shuffle selection via the Apple desktop app. The moment I clicked to turn off a station in the shuffle, I watch the screen "shimmer" for barely a second and suddenly there were stations turned on that I had not added to the shuffle list. In fact, there were quite a few! Something is clearly dysfunctional in the desktop apps, and is causing I/O errors when interface shifts between phone app and desktop. But clearly the weight of this is on the desktop apps. (And as I said, I've experienced this on both Apple and PC desktop apps.)
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Yes, absolutely. I've been tweaking it several times/day to challenge the very premise. I should also mention that I do not typically use Apple products because I despise their UI. [And pretty soon, I might be migrating to Linux if the rumors I'm hearing about the new Windows UI are in any way accurate. (I will not tolerate an OS dictating to me how and where to store my data.)] I only started experiencing problems since downloading the Apple desktop app to use at work. (Ahem.) ~Sc'Eric
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@AdamPandora: My point was that maybe this could be an active solution to suggest to other users. (Though, from @Risapower, maybe this doesn't work for everyone? Either way, I would recommend signing out of all devices and re-logging in before proceeding.)
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